1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,520 Good evening. Tonight we go after a fantastic story, the story that flying saucers from other 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:13,440 worlds are visiting our planet just as we are exploring outer space with our own rocket 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:19,880 satellites. Our guest is former Marine Air Corps Major Donald Keyhole who has the support 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:25,480 of scores of prominent businessmen, military men and some scientists in this campaign to 5 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:31,160 prove that flying saucers exist. If you're curious to know why Major Keyhole charges 6 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:36,440 at the United States Air Force is deliberately deluding us when it called saucer stories 7 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:41,840 the bunk, if you want to hear his own evidence the saucers are real and his reaction to the 8 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:47,320 claim of two Americans who say they've spoken with men from Venus. We'll go after those 9 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:52,480 stories in just a moment. My name is Mike Wallace. The cigarette is Parliament. 10 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:03,800 The new high filtration filter Parliament presents 11 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:19,400 the Mike Wallace interview. And now to our story. Major Donald Keyhole is the director of the 12 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:26,400 National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena as head of this private group interested 13 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,680 in flying saucers. He's repeatedly attacked the United States Air Force and others for 14 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:37,120 claiming that flying saucers are apparently flights of fancy and not flights by Martians 15 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:44,200 or men from a moon. Independent surveys show that millions of Americans do share his belief 16 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,920 in the celestial saucers. Major Keyhole first of all let me ask you this. Most people in 17 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,280 the United States in spite of the fact that I say that millions do believe I think you 18 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:59,320 will agree that most people in the United States don't believe in flying saucers from 19 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:06,480 outer space. They probably hold the view of columnist Bob Considine who wrote that flying 20 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:15,480 saucers are products of for the most part quote prankers half wits cranks publicity hounds 21 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:21,920 fanatics in general and school balls in quote. How do you feel about Mr. Considine's charge. 22 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:27,160 Well I know where he got the story. He got it from Colonel Watson out at the air technical 23 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,640 tells and sent in Dayton. In fact the Colonel even a little farther and he said behind every 24 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:36,760 sighting was an idiot a crackpot or religious fanatic that included a lot of high ranking 25 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:42,280 Air Force pilots incidentally and many airline captains people who were qualified to see 26 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:47,240 these things. He was just following on in Air Force policies. Well now you're not suggesting 27 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,360 that Bob Considine is in the pay of the Air Force. He's an independent man with a considerable 28 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,560 reputation. I mean the Colonel. No I have every respect for Bob Considine. In spite of the 29 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:02,920 fact that he suggests that prankster pranksters half wits and screwballs are responsible for 30 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:08,080 the stories about flying saucers. Well I wish I could show him at any time a list of about 31 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:13,400 eight hundred witnesses some of the big names in aviation including up to the rank of Colonel 32 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:18,000 in the Air Force. They're still flying and the still carrying passengers they never been 33 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,560 grounded. They're still guiding airliners in the radar men are night after night in bad 34 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:30,880 weather. If the screwballs and incompetence why are they still on the job. Major Kehoe where 35 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:39,000 do you think flying saucers are coming from. I don't know. There is an indication that 36 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:44,080 they could be using Mars as a base. I don't mean they originate there but every time Mars 37 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:51,520 has approached us in the last 10 years there's been a noticeable increase in and so society. 38 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:56,360 It's been mentioned officially in fact the Canadian official project on the basis of 39 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,520 that set up an observation station in Canada. You say the Canadian official project. What 40 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,840 do you mean by the official. There was an official project called Project Magnet. They 41 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:11,920 set up an observatory at Shirley Bay to try to track these things. And what happened to 42 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,200 the official project. You say there was a project. Yes they ran for about a year and 43 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,000 they had one sighting on a gravimeter which indicated that something very large of you 44 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,840 to flown over there. But they finally decided they were spending a little too much money 45 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:29,840 on it I suppose. Well certainly they wouldn't have thought that they were spending too much 46 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:36,000 money on it if they believed that that kind of phenomenon existed. A lot of people on 47 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,880 the project are still working up there on their own time and certain government officials 48 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:47,080 have still kept the lid on their reports in Canada just as they do down here. What is 49 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:52,040 your theory. In other words you suggest that they come from Mars or from other planets from 50 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:58,840 other solar systems possibly throughout the universe. Is that correct. Yes and there are 51 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:02,840 a lot of scientists who said the same thing. What is your theory as to the kind of people 52 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:09,280 who fly these are the kind of beings who fly these saucers. Well that's speculation. Will 53 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:13,800 he lay said recently that he'd be just like the man next door the invaders from space 54 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,880 and his reasons may be good. Most of the top scientists have said that the odds are that 55 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:25,880 beings from other worlds would not be like us. Some of them would be. Dr. Harlow Shappley 56 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,880 for instance said that there probably were at least 100 million inhabited planets in 57 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:35,380 the universe and Menzel who doesn't believe in saucers at all says that he goes that high 58 00:05:35,380 --> 00:05:40,680 or even higher. And among those by they must be by the law of averages a certain number 59 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,600 of planets that would be like the earth and if evolution started at the same time why you 60 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:51,800 might have the same type of being. What do you think of the intentions of these people 61 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:58,320 for lack of a better name of these people and who are in these flying saucers. Well there's 62 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:04,920 been no evidence of any hostility during the last 10 years what we call the modern phase 63 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,440 that been sightings before then. There have been some accidents there for us pilots chasing 64 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:15,920 these things Captain Mantell was killed chasing one in 48 and the two powers disappeared chasing 65 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:24,200 one in 53 over Lake Superior. But I think those were just accidents just accidents. Why don't 66 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:31,280 they try to communicate with us. What's your theory about that. Well I'll follow some of 67 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:36,640 the theories the Air Force people have said suggest they suggested to me back in 52 and 68 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:42,760 53 at which time we were cooperating. We had a lot of very good friends in the Air Force 69 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,240 that time the policy was to give out information they were about to tell the people everything 70 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:54,720 they had. And the theory was then that perhaps these beings were so much different from us 71 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:00,760 that communication would be a very hard thing. They might not for instance have speech sounds 72 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:06,040 like ours. That's one answer. Another thing they might not be able to exist in our atmosphere 73 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:12,360 we're going to land on the moon we'll have to wear spacesuits or else build air conditioned 74 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:17,080 buildings up there air pressure. There could be lots of factors like that. Well do you think 75 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:23,040 they're down here when we do see them to look at us. I think that's probably a long range 76 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:29,560 survey. A long range survey. And yet no attempt as far as we know in any case of communication 77 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:36,880 with us. There have been claims of communication but those most of those have been by individuals. 78 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:43,040 The Air Force has not admitted that there's ever been one and I don't know our committee 79 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:48,840 hasn't found any cases that we would accept as absolutely verified. All right now let's go 80 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:55,120 at it from another point of view if I may the Air Force point of view. They agree undoddedly 81 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:01,240 objects have been seen in the sky. But the Air Force has said time and time again. This 82 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,800 is a quote from Richard Horner assistant secretary of the Air Force for research and development. 83 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:14,600 All but a small percentage of these reports of unidentified flying objects have been definitely 84 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:21,720 attributed to natural phenomena that are neither mysterious nor dire. End quote weather balloons 85 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:30,200 mirages ordinary sky phenomena like meteor is airplanes themselves. What about that. I'll 86 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:35,600 answer that but I'd like to make several points doing it in 1947 the Air Technical Intelligence 87 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:41,560 Center at Dayton the top Air Force intelligence men and scientists under contract sent a secret 88 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:45,160 document to the commanding general the Air Force saying that whatever these things were 89 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:53,680 they were real. 1948 A. T. I. C. the same group sent a top secret estimate to the commanding 90 00:08:53,680 --> 00:09:00,240 general point van den Berg said these were interplanetary spaceships. In 1952 there was 91 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:07,320 an intelligence analysis of the maneuvers of these things as seen by radar triangulation radar 92 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:15,200 photo photographs and in 53 the Central Intelligence Agency and the Air Force had a special panel 93 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:20,840 of scientists meet at the Pentagon to tell them what to do. And after they got through this group 94 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:26,720 said you don't have proof that these things exist not scientific proof but you have a very strong 95 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:32,240 circumstantial case. We suggest your quadruple investigation set up special observation posts 96 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:37,280 in the meantime release everything you've got the American people. Now you've got four documents 97 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:43,120 there that they've been sitting on all this time. Now that and they have been spending a lot of money 98 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:50,520 investigating flying so if they don't exist why the money. Why did the intelligence teams rush out 99 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:57,320 every time there's a sighting. Now then you have mentioned four documents that you claim exist. 100 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:04,000 We've heard in the past that you have claimed that these documents existed. We've seen your 101 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,680 literature in which you talk about the existence of those documents. So we spoke with the Air 102 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:13,280 Technical Intelligence Center at the Pentagon earlier this week and this is what we were told 103 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:20,680 officially by them. Three of the four documents Major Kehoe refers to simply do not exist. The fourth 104 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:26,800 document does exist. You can have a copy of it Mr. Wallace and you can see that it doesn't say what 105 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:37,000 Major Kehoe claims it says. We have a copy of it and I quote to you from the copy. The Air Force 106 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:43,680 document says just this. The panel recommends that the National Security agencies take immediate 107 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:50,960 steps to strip the UFOs of the special status they have been given and the aura of mystery they 108 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:57,200 have unfortunately acquired. We suggest an integrated program designed to reassure the public 109 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:05,440 of the total lack of evidence of inimical forces behind the phenomena. And again as I point out 110 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:13,080 Secretary Horner says it simply ain't so. Now why the point the point really at issue here would 111 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:20,520 seem Major Kehoe is this. Why do you believe that the Air Force says that nothing is going on. 112 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:28,160 Why do you believe that the it's a fairly serious charge. You make the charge that the United 113 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:34,800 States government is withholding from the people of the United States certain very important 114 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,720 information. Why what would their motive be for withholding that kind of information from us. 115 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,480 Well I'll answer that but I would also like to show you some proof that they are withholding it. 116 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:52,200 The reason that was given to me when they were working with me back in 52 and 53 was first that 117 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:57,320 they were afraid of hysteria. Remember the Orson Well show back way years back when he scared 118 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:03,960 people in the hills with the idea of invading Martians. Then they were also afraid that it 119 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:10,640 would upset organized religion. That was a smaller factor but there was some fear of it. Later 120 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,400 they were afraid that these accidents when the interceptors had chased these things and had 121 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:21,400 been lost or had crashed might be considered a proof of hostility. Now I would never have put my 122 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:27,800 name on anything if it were a matter of personal opinion. I've talked to and read the reports of 123 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,720 hundreds of pilots and radar men and guided missile trackers who've seen these things and some of them 124 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:41,360 are very important names. The Air Force says they have this down to 1.9 percent but you'll notice 125 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,520 the word current in there. They mean we are currently explaining. I have in my position a 126 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:52,280 copy of special report 14 which is their Bible on this. In the back it has a table showing that 127 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:59,800 3201 cases they examined 19 and a half percent were unsolved and they admit they still are 128 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:05,320 unsolved. You add up what they've had since then it makes over 12 percent of the reports and those 129 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:11,680 are mostly from the best possible sources. Wait just a second I'll use your figures. The Department 130 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:17,520 of Defense released an official bulletin on November 5th 1957 saying that from June of 55 to 131 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:25,080 June of 57 a two year period just a fraction over 2 percent of all investigated unidentified 132 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,480 flying objects had to be listed as unknown 2 percent so that's your 1.9. What was the period again? 133 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:37,400 55 to 57. The rest would determine there have been balloons, airplanes, hoaxes and a category 134 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:42,920 about 12 percent called insufficient information which means that the report was so flimsy that 135 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:49,280 there was simply nothing to check on. I must confess that they have they've certainly shown me no 136 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,040 classified material but they have opened their files quite willingly to us in our preparation 137 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:59,440 for this program tonight and they've given us very convincing evidence Major Keyhole that it is 138 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:08,280 largely I shouldn't say largely I'll say 99 and 44 100 percent a hoax. Now you mentioned a hoax 139 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:17,320 well I call it a good pilot's hoax. No no no not hoaxes. I thank you for correcting me not 140 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:23,840 just a hoax but let's say misinformation or sightings of objects which seem to be one thing 141 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:29,520 but are in fact another. I'm glad that you corrected me about the hoax because it doesn't by 142 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:35,680 no means that much a hoax but you mentioned a Dr. Donald Menzel who's a professor of astrophysics 143 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:41,360 at Harvard before. I think you will agree that he's one of the world's most distinguished astrophysicists 144 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:48,120 is that not so? I think there are others who are equally capable but he's not agree with him. He is 145 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:54,520 one of the world's most distinguished astrophysicists though I think we can agree on that in any case. 146 00:14:54,520 --> 00:15:02,400 He stresses you see that pilots are not expert observers that they as well as others can see 147 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:07,760 flying saucers when it's only to quote him the wrapper of somebody's lunch blowing around in the 148 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:15,440 air and quote but again let's come back to the point the most important point Major Keyhole and 149 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:21,800 that is why why will the Air Force why will the United States government withhold information 150 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,560 from United States citizens for what reason? Because they're treating them like children the way 151 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,320 they did with the H-Bomber first and the way they were doing with they've been doing with other 152 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:36,480 things now I'm not attacking the United States Air Force I'm attacking a small group in there that 153 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:42,600 has been persistently keeping this from the from the public just as they've kept other things for a 154 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,680 long time you couldn't even mention the idea that we could be hit by missiles from submarines 155 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:52,520 from the Gulf and from both coasts very easily I knew that years and years ago and tried to get 156 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:57,960 it out and at the time was discouraged about it now I'm you mentioned these did this denial of 157 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,480 these documents now I'd like to tell you something that happened on the Armstrong Circle Theater 158 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:10,480 I had requested that those points be in the script and I was discouraged from it at first by their 159 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:16,480 writer then later some of our board of governors insisted that we have those points included so 160 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,880 I said either I don't go on or we have those in there I said all right so the script was completely 161 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:27,920 rewritten now those were in the script as it was first rehearsed but when the second rehearsal 162 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:33,880 came along and the Air Force saw the Mimograph sheet the Air Force representative according to 163 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:40,440 the Armstrong writer said they would immediately deny it on the air even though it meant denounce 164 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:47,640 their own former project chief now the source for this is Captain Edward Rupelle who was the 165 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:52,200 head of project blue book for two years and at that time he was considered good enough that he 166 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:58,520 briefed President Truman on these things he was the top man rank didn't mean anything it's your 167 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:04,800 experience accounted all right he says these things existed he put it in the book which was 168 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:10,760 cleared by security and review in the Air Force on December 5th 1955 that was cleared it's in 169 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:16,280 his book he's never been hauled in the court martial now I have here and if you allow your 170 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:24,600 camera to come in on it this is a sheet from the script to the Armstrong Theater which was deleted 171 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:33,280 this was crossed off and I was told that I couldn't say it on the air now that was censorship by 172 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:40,240 intimidation this can be matched up with the other sheets from the Armstrong circle script and any 173 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,680 typewriter expert will show you well I'm certain that I'm certain they ordered it taken out I'm 174 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,840 certain that people believe you the only thing is that the next morning I distinctly remember reading 175 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:53,800 a report by you major keo to the effect that no censorship no pressure of any kind that 176 00:17:53,800 --> 00:18:00,960 can put on you I'm sorry Mr. Austin that I know that statement almost by heart yes I said that CBS 177 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:06,320 and the Armstrong people were not to blame for cutting me off the air when I tried to mention 178 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:11,920 the fact that a Senate committee was working on the secrecy angle I never mentioned this that night 179 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:17,000 to anyone because I had promised that I wouldn't say anything about it on the air that the Armstrong 180 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:25,640 people it was taken out and I will do this I will ask United States Air Force to have the Marine 181 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:33,360 Corps put me on active duty for court martial if that is not the case major keo I understand you 182 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:39,120 have three new reports on file which in your opinion you have them currently on file their new 183 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:44,680 reports these in your opinion would convince every person in this country that flying sauces are a 184 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:51,840 fact is that correct they should convince a lot of people because of the names involved tell us 185 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:57,600 I told your interviewer in Washington that I couldn't mention the names because they were too 186 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:02,040 high one of them is a top scientist in this country whose name would be known to everybody 187 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:08,040 why wouldn't he want his because he's afraid of the official ridicule he's afraid of official 188 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:14,320 ridicule that's right more afraid of official ridicule than a possibly alerting the country to a 189 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:19,560 serious national day so many people give us reports and they say please keep my name confidential I 190 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:27,920 give you one report which came to us the name has to be left out in 1951 a UFO circled the 191 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:35,160 fleet in Korean waters it circled at high speed and they launched several planes to try to get a 192 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,840 close in on it they got a radar lock on that is the radar was guiding the planes toward the object 193 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:47,600 this was picked up by radars on 14 naval vessels this object circled about oh for a half an hour 194 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:53,680 more and then it took off at a speed way over in excess of a thousand miles an hour this report 195 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,520 was certified and nine members of our board of governors saw it signed it and agreed that they 196 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:05,040 had seen it and agreed to the contents yeah there is another report that just came in from four 197 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:12,080 top missile designers or engineers at one of the big plants in this country they saw an elliptically 198 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:19,560 shaped object in two small round disc shaped objects flying with it over California November 11th 199 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:27,160 1957 at a speed of at least 5,000 miles an hour these men are well qualified to know what they see 200 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:32,480 with broad daylight not a cloud in the sky there have been cases even where the Air Force has 201 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:38,520 shot at these things now if there's nothing there and they don't exist why do they shoot at them 202 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:46,120 you mentioned Mr. Horner the day after Mr. Horner said that the Air Force was not concealing anything 203 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:53,360 and Captain Gregory Oldenburg a public information officer at Langley Field refused to let an ad be 204 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:59,280 inserted in the Langley base flyer their newspaper which asked if anybody interested in UFOs please 205 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:04,560 communicate and form a little group he said I must refuse to do this because it's the dissemination 206 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:11,880 of information on UFOs is contrary to Air Force policy and Air Force regulation 200 dash 2 and I 207 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,320 have a copy of it here in case you want to see it well major key ho I must say that the Air Force 208 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:23,600 tells us they don't question your motives but they do question the accuracy of a good deal of your 209 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:32,520 information and for that reason they say you have been and were they to in a sense throw open an 210 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:40,280 invitation to all people who cite UFOs to get in touch with them once again they'd get all kinds of 211 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:46,120 cranks hoaxers and so forth and you see they run down every one of these sightings and it has cost 212 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:53,360 them a tremendous amount of money to no avail over the past few years that's what they told you that 213 00:21:53,360 --> 00:22:01,320 is what they told me now sir in a moment I'd like to ask you this in the past few years millions of 214 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:06,000 flying saucer enthusiasts have become excited about the stories of two men George Adamsky and 215 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:11,640 Howard Menger both of them claim to have seen flying saucers manger claims to have been given a 216 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:17,480 ride in one by some creatures from Venus Adamsky says he's chatted with a man from Venus in the 217 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:25,000 California desert I'd like to get your reaction to those stories and we'll get major key hose 218 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:30,800 reaction in just 60 seconds all right major about George Adamsky and Howard Menger both men 219 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:36,160 claim to have talked with men from Venus manger claims that he's even taken a ride on applying 220 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:43,440 saucer do you believe them no you think they are hoaxers we do not accept any reports of these 221 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:48,240 so-called contactees without more evidence we've asked them to submit their claims and take a lie 222 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,680 detector test we don't throw them out we simply say we'll give you a fair chance I think that's 223 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:59,600 the least important part of the picture the most important part is the weight of evidence from 224 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,960 hundreds of competent people I'd like to name a few captain Richard case American Airlines kept the 225 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:12,080 CS Childs Eastern Airlines captain T. Kravitz TWA Robert Addictus TWA Colonel Donald J. Blake's 226 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:17,280 the US Air Force a wing commander I could get down the list of people who know what they're doing 227 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:22,800 and they're still on duty they're still flying major keyhole what would you like to see done about 228 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,680 flying saucers that is not currently being done what steps would you like to see take I think 229 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:33,440 the American people should write to their congressman and insist that open hearings be held by the 230 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,360 senate committee on permanent on the permanent committee on government operations which has 231 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:42,240 been linking into this for six months an Air Force spokesman told us this last week he said members 232 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:47,680 of the senate of the senate subcommittee have talked with us already and they have shown no 233 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:53,200 interest in conducting any hearings on this issue I talked with the chief investigator within the 234 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:59,680 last two weeks I gave him a lot of information and I gave him data on one case where an airliner 235 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,080 was sent to chase one of these things and they and the passengers kept an ignorance of it at that 236 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:09,520 time that involves two government agencies beside the Air Force which is refused to release the 237 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:15,680 report and I'll say this if you were to get if they if the committee were to get Ruppelt major 238 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:21,040 for now several colonels around that time major general garland who was on the project there 239 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:26,400 would be a big revelation because the Air Force is simply treating the American people like children 240 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:32,800 they don't trust him with the facts you know here's an interesting I think an interesting question 241 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,760 major the United States and Russia have started sending satellites into the sky and we may be 242 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:43,920 hitting the moon with a rocket soon possibly mars you believe that creatures from outer space have 243 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:50,960 space stations on mars what's going to happen when we start firing rockets at the moon or at mars 244 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:56,800 that question's already been brought up we expect to have a base on the moon within the next five 245 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:02,400 years it's possible that there is a base on there I don't say there was any proof of it is it possible 246 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,960 we're going to start an interplanetary war when we start sending our rockets to the moon and tomorrow 247 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:13,440 in 1955 general Douglas MacArthur said the next war would be an interplanetary war and we'd have to 248 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:19,440 unite against people from other planets one last question major keyhole have you 249 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:27,280 ever seen a flying saucer I've seen them tracked on radar but I take the word of about 800 of the 250 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:32,880 best witnesses in this country and abroad but you yourself have never seen a flying saucer I've just 251 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:39,600 been a reporter and a careful one thank you very much major Donald Keyhole as you've just heard 252 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,440 the flying saucer controversy is deadlocked in contradictory statements and interpretation of 253 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:53,280 facts as for major Donald Keyhole himself like most of us he's never seen a flying saucer which may 254 00:25:53,280 --> 00:26:01,040 just make him like a mystic who's never seen a ghost but one must give him credit he has much faith 255 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,100 you